Spread Your Wingspan
Created by Sara Vander Zwaag & Jennie Lindsay We are two friends that immediately bonded over our secret smut addictions. Tune in as we chat about all things literary involving Romantasy, Fantasy, and straight up Romance. We compare notes on the Bookstagram fan favorites, the obscure series with new-to-us kinks, and everything in between. Do we always have the same opinion? No! Do we love to dissect tropes, fantasize over gorgeous fae, and giggle when we imagine their wingspans? Yes! If you are like us (highly anxious older daughters with ADHD and escapist tendencies) then this is the podcast for you. Pssst... It’s always the quiet ones. ;) Follow us on Instagram @spreadyourwingspan Visit our website: spreadyourwingspan.com Email us your questions and hot takes: hello@spreadyourwingspan.com Hosted on Podbean. See podbean.com/privacy for more information.
Episodes

Monday Dec 15, 2025
Monday Dec 15, 2025
Summary
In this episode of the Spread Your Wingspan podcast, hosts Sara and Jennie dive deep into the latest installment of the Blood and Ash series, 'The Primal of Blood and Bone.' They discuss character arcs, plot developments, and the themes of love, obsession, and the complexities of relationships. The conversation also touches on the reactions from fans, the writing style of the author, and predictions as the series wraps up. With a mix of humor and insightful analysis, the hosts explore the intricacies of the story and its characters, making for an engaging discussion for fans of the series.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Personal Anecdotes02:55 - Character Development and Emotional Impact08:47 - Themes and Symbolism14:54 - Climactic Moments and Revelations30:45 - The Weight of Leadership and Responsibility36:04 - Character Dynamics and Relationships42:33 - The Complexity of Ascension and Addiction53:28 - Reader Reactions and Authorial Choices01:05:10 - Looking Ahead: Future Themes and Representation01:06:36 - Outro

Monday Dec 08, 2025
Monday Dec 08, 2025
Summary
In this episode of the Spread Your Wingspan podcast, hosts Sara and Jennie chat with Canadian author J.M. Frey about her latest book, 'Nine Tenths.' They explore the inspiration behind the story, the themes of grief and colonialism, and the representation of mental health in characters. J.M. shares her writing journey, the significance of her characters, and the importance of research in crafting her narrative. The conversation delves into the meta-narrative techniques used in the book, the exploration of love and fear in relationships, and the social commentary on ethical wealth. J.M. also discusses her writing process and rituals, concluding with her hopes for readers to take away courage and kindness from her work.
You can find J.M. Frey at her website: jmfrey.netand @j.m.frey on Bluesky, TikTok, Instagram, & Threads
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction to J.M. Frye and Nine Tenths03:05 - The Journey of Self-Publishing06:21 - Inspiration Behind Nine Tenths09:15 - Exploring Themes of Grief and Colonialism12:02 - Character Development and Personal Experiences15:22 - Meta Storytelling and Writing Process18:15 - Research and Historical Context21:06 - Anxiety Representation in Fiction24:01 - Romance and Speculative Fiction31:08 - Navigating Grief and Love33:02 - Character Development and Relationships34:49 - Exploring Dark Themes in Fantasy36:39 - The Role of Fantasy in Society38:57 - Ethical Wealth and Responsibility43:14 - The Creative Process and Writing Rituals52:05 - The Intersection of Science and Fantasy56:48 - Courage in the Face of Fear01:00:51 - Outro

Monday Dec 01, 2025
Monday Dec 01, 2025
Summary
In this episode, Jennie and Sara discuss the book 'Nine Tenths' by J.M. Frey. They explore the themes of wealth inequality, the complexities of relationships, and the representation of anxiety and bisexuality within the narrative. The conversation also touches on the world-building aspects of the story, including its historical context and cultural commentary. The hosts share their personal reflections on the characters and the dynamics of their relationships, ultimately providing a rating for the book and expressing excitement for the upcoming author interview.
Content Warningsaccidental injury between domestic partners, enslavement, loss of parent
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Excitement for the Interview04:38 - Themes Explored in the Book09:48 - Historical Context and Cultural Commentary17:39 - Spice Rating and Relationship Dynamics39:56 - Outro

Monday Nov 24, 2025
Monday Nov 24, 2025
Summary
In this episode, the hosts discuss the fourth and final book in the Flesh and Fire series, 'Born of Blood and Ash.' They explore its complex themes, including trauma, leadership, and the balance between fate and free will. The conversation delves into character development, romantic dynamics, and the implications of parenthood in a chaotic world. The hosts also express their excitement for future installments in this literary universe and reflect on the impact of page length on storytelling.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Episode Overview00:24 - Content Warnings and Themes of the Book02:40 - Summary of 'Born of Blood and Ash'06:23 - Character Development and Relationships10:40 - Exploring Leadership and Decision-Making14:19 - The Role of Fate and Free Will18:39 - Reflections on Writing and Page Length22:30 - Pregnancy and Its Implications in the Story26:37 - Final Thoughts and Future Expectations35:11 - Outro

Monday Nov 17, 2025
Monday Nov 17, 2025
Summary
In this conversation, Jennie and Sarah delve into the third book of the Flesh and Fire series, discussing its themes, character arcs, and the complexities of morality and monstrosity. They discuss the development of the protagonist Sera, and the intricate dynamics of villainy and heroism. The episode also touches on the portrayal of romantic relationships and the pacing of the narrative. Overall, the conversation highlights the depth of the characters and the writing style, while setting the stage for the last installment in the series.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Context Setting05:34 - Character Development and Themes of Monstrosity14:22 - Character Dynamics and Relationships21:31 - Empathy and Human Experience28:01 - Exploring Consent and Trauma in Romance34:05 - The Journey of Healing and Recovery39:11 - Romance and the Gray Areas of Consent47:03 - Outro

Monday Nov 10, 2025
Monday Nov 10, 2025
Summary
In this conversation, Jennie and Sara discuss 'A Light in the Flame', the second book in the Blood and Ash prequel series Flesh and Fire. They explore themes such as enemies to lovers, atonement, and the complexity of morality. The discussion highlights character development, the nature of good and evil, and the interplay of fate and free will. They also touch on the significance of the Draken and the terrifying villain Kolis, while reflecting on the emotional depth of the characters and their relationships.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction06:32 - Themes of Enemies to Lovers and Atonement12:21 - Character Depth and Mental Health Themes18:27 - The Stakes of Mortality and Humanity26:16 - Sera and Nyktos: Love and Sacrifice31:56 - The Complexity of Love and Relationships37:07 - Villains and Betrayals: The Nature of Evil42:28 - The Draken: Love and Loyalty46:51 - Outro

Thursday Nov 06, 2025
Thursday Nov 06, 2025
Summary
In this conversation, the hosts delve into the second book of the Flesh and Fire series, a prequel to the Blood and Ash series by Jennifer L. Armentrout. They discuss the complexity of the plot, and the themes of fate versus free will, consent, and found family. The hosts also explore the emotional depth of the characters, particularly in relation to mental health, and the representation of relationships in the narrative. They provide insights into the writing style, pacing, and the spicy elements of the romance, ultimately sharing their ratings and impressions of the book.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Character Debate05:36 - Themes of Fate and Free Will11:33 - Narrative Style and Writing Critique17:40 - Concluding Thoughts and Future Predictions23:50 - The Art of Smut: What Works and What Doesn't29:51 - Found Family: The Heart of the Story34:52 - Emotional Representation: Panic and Depression43:00 - Spice Ratings: The Heat of the Narrative

Sunday Oct 26, 2025
Sunday Oct 26, 2025
Summary
The conversation delves into the complexities of engaging with art created by problematic figures, focusing on the themes of monstrosity, morality, and audience engagement. The hosts discuss the book 'Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma' by Claire Dederer, exploring their personal reactions to the text and the broader implications of consuming art in a capitalist society. They examine case studies of J.K. Rowling and others, highlighting the nuances of morality in relation to their work and public personas. The discussion emphasizes the importance of community support for artists and the need for ongoing dialogue about these issues.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Context of the Conversation05:35 - Themes of Monstrosity and Audience Engagement12:19 - The Complexity of Female Artists and Monstrosity17:59 - Generational Trauma and the Stain of Artists24:38 - Concluding Thoughts on Art and Morality30:32 - The Impact of Celebrity Actions on Art35:52 - The Complexity of Artistic Legacies43:40 - The Nuances of Consumer Choices54:29 - Transitioning to New Literary Adventures

Tuesday May 13, 2025
Tuesday May 13, 2025
Summary
In this episode, Jennie and Sara dive into the absurdity of the erotic novella 'Unhinged,' which features a sentient door named Driss and explores themes of female empowerment, sexuality, and humor. They discuss the plot, character dynamics, and the unique narrative style, while also reflecting on the cultural commentary embedded within the story. The conversation highlights the blend of comedy and eroticism, ultimately leading to their ratings and final thoughts on the book.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction to Unhinged02:55 - Plot Overview and Themes07:21 - Character Dynamics and Humor11:44 - Exploring Female Sexuality15:56 - Narrative Style and Audiobook Experience20:39 - Cultural Commentary and Satire26:13 Final Thoughts and Ratings34:00 - Outro

Sunday Apr 27, 2025
Sunday Apr 27, 2025
Summary
In this conversation, Jennie and Sara discuss the fifth book of the Blood and Ash series, A Soul of Ash and Blood. They talk about the unique perspective of Casteel in retelling the events that happen in the first book of the series, the themes of trauma and self-discovery, and the evolution of writing style in the series. The dynamics between characters, particularly the relationships and accountability among male characters, are explored. The conversation also touches on the importance of communication and choices in character development.
Content Warnings
Self-harm, physical and sexual abuse (mentioned but not shown), blood drinking.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction00:30 - Exploring the Blood and Ash Series06:50 - Character Perspectives and Retellings09:44 - Themes of Trauma and Self-Discovery12:37 - Writing Process and Author Intentions15:55 - Character Relationships and Dynamics18:50 - Cultural Reflections in Fantasy21:42 - Feminist Themes in Character Development24:56 - The Complexity of Love and Relationships27:43 - Navigating Fan Culture and Author Ethics44:13 - Outro



